or romney administration use force? we really don't have the answer to that question. we still don't have the answer to that question. what is -- i thought it was for the first time we did hear, because i have asked romney this question about mubarek and by the way the number rec decision is one of the most consequential decision this is president made and it is going to be a historically a consequential decision, especially if a united states president is ever faced with this in a saudi arabia, frifns, an, for instance, and for the first time when romney hugged him on that i went, wow, because rom at this has come this close to saying i wouldn't have done that, he threw our ally under the bus, right? that has been a talking point of romney and boy not only did he backtrack from that he said you know i would have done the same thing as the president and that one floored me. >> so, charlie, one thing about the horses and bayonets line i think al is exactly right, there was substance to the barb, but you know we should ju